If I go to Canada and fly a Canadian registered plane, can I fly it in
Canada on my US license? Can I bring it back into the US (say I buy
it), can I fly it in the US? Anyone have any experience with getting a
Canadian registered plane registered in the US? I suspect it is quite
hard now, especially with the beef embargo, wood embargo and general
uptight trade with Canada, but Canadian planes do seem to be a bit
less than US ones, about 20%.

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003, Doug wrote:

> If I go to Canada and fly a Canadian registered plane, can I fly it in
> Canada on my US license? Can I bring it back into the US (say I buy
> it), can I fly it in the US? Anyone have any experience with getting a
> Canadian registered plane registered in the US? I suspect it is quite
> hard now, especially with the beef embargo, wood embargo and general
> uptight trade with Canada,

So much for NAFTA, huh? Unless that was supposed to stand for No
Actual Free Trade Agreement...

I don't think you'll have a problem; I know that just last week our flying
club sold our Tampico to a guy from Florida, who flew it home. (Cool
trip!) It left here still wearing it's Canadian reg, and will get
N-numbers in Florida.

Phone a Canadian flight school & ask them, or phone Transport Canada
directly. Transport's got half a dozen regional offices across the
country; if you can't find info on the internet email me privately and
I'll get a number from the AIP.

TC Civil Aviation homepage: http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/menu.htm

Brian.

"Doug" > wrote in message
m...
> If I go to Canada and fly a Canadian registered plane, can I fly it in
> Canada on my US license?

You cannot fly it in Canada with only your US Certificate/Medical.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/regserv/carac/CARS/cars/401e.htm#401_03

CAR 401.03(1) No person shall act as a flight crew member
or exercise the privileges of a flight crew permit, licence or
rating or a foreign licence validation certificate unless

(a) subject to subsection (2) and sections 401.19 to
401.27, the person is the holder of, and can produce
while so acting and while exercising those privileges,
the appropriate permit, licence or rating and a valid
and appropriate medical certificate; or
(b) the person is the holder of, and can produce while
so acting and while exercising those privileges, an
appropriate foreign licence validation certificate.

But you can get a 'validation' based on a foreign licence'
(the US is a 'contracting state'):

http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/regserv/carac/CARS/cars/401e.htm#401_03

CAR 401.07(1) Subject to section 6.71 of the Act, if
the holder of a foreign flight crew licence issued by a
contracting state other than Canada meets the applicable
requirements set out in the personnel licensing standards
and is not a permanent resident of Canada, the Minister
shall, on receipt of an application submitted in the form
and manner set out in those standards, issue a foreign
licence validation certificate.

(2) The Minister shall, in accordance with the personnel
licensing standards, specify in a foreign licence validation
certificate the privileges that may be exercised by the
holder of the certificate.

You can fly a US-Registered aircraft in Canada with
your US Certificate/Medical (if you could fly it in
the US with them):

CAR 401.04 No person shall act as a flight crew member or
exercise the privileges of a flight crew licence in Canada
in an aircraft registered in a contracting state other than
Canada, unless the person holds, and can produce
while so acting or while exercising such privileges,
(a) a flight crew permit or licence issued under this
Subpart; or
(b) a flight crew licence, or a document equivalent
to a foreign licence validation certificate, that is issued
under the laws of the contracting state.

You can fly a Canadian registered aircraft in the US with
just your US Certificate/Medical, though:

http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi?pass=57980006&ref=-&mtd=41&cgi=%2Fcgi-bin%2Fnph-search_far&var=15&buf=66&src=_landings%2Fpages%2Fsearch_fars.html&search=foreign+aircraft&parts=&combine=OR&case=NO&word=NO

FAR Section 375.21: Airmen.
Members of the flight crew of a foreign civil aircraft
shall have in their personal possession valid airman
certificates or licenses authorizing them to perform
their assigned functions in the aircraft and for the
operation involved issued or rendered valid by the
country of registry of the aircraft or by the United
States. No such flight crew members shall perform
any flight duty within the United States that they are
not currently authorized to perform in the country
issuing or validating the certificate.

" US? Anyone have any experience with getting a
> Canadian registered plane registered in the US?

First the Canadian registration is cancelled, and US registration is issued.

The plane must pass the mother of all conformity inspections. It must
conform to the type certificate in all aspects. All modifications, major
repairs, must have 337s to cover them. That means if there is an old repair
the inspector must insure that it conforms to our standards and fill out a
337 to cover it. Likewise any modifications must be covered with paper. All
ADs current and documented

Then the plane must pass an annual inspection. If all goes well, an
airworthiness certificate is issued.

My recent experience concerns the registration of Canadian Ercoupe in
seemingly good condition that $7000.00 later was flying here in the US.

The owner is a friend of mine.

Cheers:

Paul
NC2273H

"Paul" > wrote in message
...
>
> " US? Anyone have any experience with getting a
> > Canadian registered plane registered in the US?
>
> First the Canadian registration is cancelled, and US registration is
issued.
>
> The plane must pass the mother of all conformity inspections. It must
> conform to the type certificate in all aspects. All modifications, major
> repairs, must have 337s to cover them. That means if there is an old
repair
> the inspector must insure that it conforms to our standards and fill out a
> 337 to cover it. Likewise any modifications must be covered with paper.
All
> ADs current and documented
>
> Then the plane must pass an annual inspection. If all goes well, an
> airworthiness certificate is issued.
>
> My recent experience concerns the registration of Canadian Ercoupe in
> seemingly good condition that $7000.00 later was flying here in the US.
>
> The owner is a friend of mine.
>
> Cheers:
>
> Paul
> NC2273H
>
>

I wonder how long you could fly it in the US while still foreign registered.
Could you have maintenance in Canada, but keep it in the US? Could a US A&P
perform the maintenance in the US??

Harvey

Eclipsme wrote:

> I wonder how long you could fly it in the US while
> still foreign registered.

As long as the FAA allowed you to.

> Could you have maintenance in Canada, but keep it in the US?

Sure.

> Could a US A&P perform the maintenance in the US??

Yup. You can legally have minor or major maintenance
performed on a C-reg in the USA, including major engine,
prop and airframe overhauls. Fill out the 337 as usual,
lord knows what the FAA does with it in OKC :-)

However, an FAA A&P/IA CANNOT sign off an annual inspection
on a C-reg, which is kind of silly, given the above, and that
the requirements for an annual inspection for a C-reg are all
on the web - it's not like they're a big secret.

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